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16th-Feb-2009 03:31 pm
FOB; Pete; GASP!!!
I'm Sal, hi!
So, Perth show last night.
I posted to fbraustralia and was linked here about this worrying problem of which we were told on Saturday afternoon.

Turns out it wasn't so far from the truth. There were actually hundreds of Optus people let in before anyone else for the Q&A. OCKs got a bit of a compromise, in that EE people were taken in after Optus Q&A finished, and they cleared some of the barrier for us - at the very side (perhaps not worth my US$145). Sidenote: By the time it was over we'd managed to edge our way almost to the centre of the barrier (over 4 metres distance, quite impressive imho), but I digress.

I think that many parents had gotten the impression that the whole event was for under-18s, as the posters for the Yes Session Q&A said precisely that - hence there being very very young children. So there were kids who were less than 8-years-old at the front and in the mosh. Tiny children. Then lots of over 18s who were furious at the situation (having camped out and not even had the comp available to them - because adults apparently can't be FOB fans now, and being forced to watch 400 people jump the line in front of them) were about to be let in and were set on getting to the front, 8-yr-olds be damned. Most of the younger ones were lifted out by the time Hey Monday were over, thank Christ. Apparently they also had Optus kids line up next to the camped-out people, and I've been told that there was a lot of tension and heckling between the two groups (mostly from 'my' camp-out side I've been told, unfortunately) and a very poisonous atmosphere created. I was afraid for those kids. It all seemed to work out okay though, as security got most out easily.

I feel that this was partially the fault of the presenters or organisers who gave out 400 FREE tickets - who does that?! - and the venue being lazy and not holding the Q&A in a different room (though now that I think about it, there were lots of people so I can't think where they'd have had it) and having both sets of people standing next to eachother and letting tempers run so high. I don't know, but couldn't they have forseen that people who bought floor tickets might object to 400 people being in front of them? And why were the Optus sessions only available to <18s when it was an all-ages event? This does not make sense to me. Surely they could've realised that >18s might want a chance at something like that. If it's an all-ages show, I think that all ages should be given the chance to win. If it's for <18s, then by all means have kids win. It also might turn out safer for the very young kids if it's only an under 18s pit. Finally, I'm also kind of disappointed at the treatment of OCKs (nevermind the meet&greets which were happening during the support bands wtf) with Early Entry holders (buyers, arrg) who had paid double the price of normal GA tickets and were given a pretty shitty place, considering. At the barrier, which is of course great and I'm thankful, but right at the side. If I wanted to be at the side, I'd have taken my chances with normal GA.

Thank God that despite this, the show was great and FOB was amazing - as if I'd expect anything but!
:D They played possibly my two favourite FOB songs, Headfirst Slide... and The Take Over, The Break's Over, so I went home happy lol.
16th-Feb-2009 06:48 am (UTC)
If I'd paid for EE and then 400 kids were in front of me... there'd be hell to pay
16th-Feb-2009 07:01 am (UTC)
Well it was more like 400 kids behind and to the right of me. Actually, when we first cam in, there were quite a few just milling around the sides and back after Q&A, but yes. Expensive. Hell, for the amount of money we paid (not to mention M&G was 23094830 times more), I want naked mudwrestling and a happy ending! They tried to move them as much as they could, but it's not they could've parted the Red Sea straight down the middle or anything (though that would've been cool)
16th-Feb-2009 07:14 am (UTC)
I was there too (seated, not in the pit, because I had my 12 year old with me, and I'm not taking a 12 year old into a pit), and I could see all the kids being lifted out of the pit at the barrier. That explains why they were there in the first place.

and yes, I missed Hey Monday because of M&G, but you know, I still got M&G, so that was very happy-making. I thought my 12 year old might faint at one point.

The show was wonderful.
16th-Feb-2009 09:13 am (UTC)
That sounds like a lot of fun. Many M&G-ers were annoyed since they'd bought pit tickets and were going to be at the back and also miss support bands. I'm in no way objecting to kids coming to shows - it's a blast! But like you said, having young ones in the mosh is dangerous - I'm fairly certain that some venues have guidelines for that. Was your M&G good? :D
16th-Feb-2009 11:12 pm (UTC)
I'm something of a veteran mosher. And yes, Big Day Out won't let under 15s into their pit. I wasn't taking a child anywhere near a pit.

The M&G was painfully brief. Less than a few seconds. I'm very glad I didn't buy those expensive tickets just for those seconds of contact.

I was happy with the experience. My 12 year old was delighted. I'm calling it a win.

Though, comparing it to the kind of autograph contact you get with most authors--not so good. Most writers will ask your name, or who you want the book signed for, and make eye contact with you during the signing. I've met a couple who don't, but I'm not going to name them so this doesn't turn up in their vanity google hits.
16th-Feb-2009 09:46 am (UTC)
Thanks for posting this. That sounds like a total nightmare situation, I would have been absolutely livid. :(
16th-Feb-2009 01:24 pm (UTC)
This is getting unimaginably insulting.

I'd have demanded a refund, if that had been my show.
16th-Feb-2009 01:29 pm (UTC)
I'm considering asking for the difference between EE and normal GA. IDK if I can be bothered though. From what I hear from places like this comm and others' experiences, I might just end up wasting phone credit.
16th-Feb-2009 01:34 pm (UTC)
This comm was originally set up to gather everyone together and actually make a collective move (and that hasn't happened, lately, but unfortunately I'm not really involved with the organisation any more or I'd be pushing this shit forward like an advance on the western front).

People all need to speak up loudly and together and get this stuff addressed, because until we can be taken seriously as a group, we're going to achieve nothing. People complaining independently isn't really a forbidding force to deal with - they just ignore us.
16th-Feb-2009 02:14 pm (UTC)
Yeah. Maybe I should gather a couple of other OCKs to complain as a collective. But I kind of feel really petty asking for a refund; I was in the front row of an amazing show which I enjoyed. Just probably not as much as I could have...
16th-Feb-2009 02:15 pm (UTC)
I think you should definitely still complain - but the refund part is up to you. At the end of the day, you paid over the odds for something you didn't get - I'd have bitched them out pretty hardcore, myself.
17th-Feb-2009 11:18 am (UTC)
You are lucky you were actually abble to see the show. I don't know who to turn to now.
17th-Feb-2009 02:55 pm (UTC)
Yes exactly.
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