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11th-Nov-2008 02:05 pm
FOB taun-taun
So thanks to everyone, again, I can't stress how thankful I am in your support by joining.

I want to point out that we can argue all we want on FOBR with otherwise sway-less people, but as the deadline for AA to send us the information we've requested has pretty much come up and we've yet to receive anything... it's time to take this up a notch.

Earlier on the FC twitter blog, the request was made for us (as a fanbase) to come up with issues that we are having so that they may be addressed.

Now. We cannot put anymore emphasis on the fact that we are not here to harp on the band. DO NOT--I repeat--DO. NOT. Make this an issue of band matters; i.e. Where tours are scheduled, where secret shows are done, promotional material and events provided by the band via Island Records or out of the goodness of their own hearts. We are in no way upset with any of the band members--what we ARE upset about is the fact that AA is providing (or not providing, rather) these "services", "packages", "events", "goodies", "add-ons" or whatever else they might be referred to, in the name of the band.

We realize that high gas prices, other minor effects of inflation, and cost of this recent promotion for the new album will no doubt have a striking effect on prices for shows now and in the future. We saw this with Warped Tour here in the US this summer and it was a big issue among the bands traveling and performing. We're on the edge of a recession on the financial markets here in the states, and looking at the BIG picture, the rest of the world is on edge about everything as well. We want to make it clear that among all of the other grievances we have with AA/OCK, the number one issue is the AUS/NZ VIP sales that were supposedly by OCKs, FOR OCKs, and now are for everyone who can afford it. I personally do not feel my value as a fan should be in direct proportion to the money I spend on a band, and I hope that the rest of you see and feel this same way to some extent or you wouldn't be here.

We need to get a solid list together, to present it.

And we need to do it before the end of this week.

Please head to one of these two posts (issues raised and detailed experiences)to express your personal grievances with AA/OCK, or to raise issues of concern that we might have overlooked. It does not matter what country you are from, it does not matter if you are an OCK or not, it does not matter if you plan on being one in the future or not. All that matters is that you love Fall Out Boy, you do not want to see this overcharging and devaluing happening to the fanbase, and that you are a member of this community.

That last one is kinda necessary. :D

Thanks again, everyone.

Also, don' be afraid to get the word out. Pick up the banner and get it out there! Ask around! Talk to your fellow FOB fans!
11th-Nov-2008 09:44 pm (UTC)
Dude - add a link to the promo banner and encourage people to spread the word.
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12th-Nov-2008 01:31 am (UTC)
I knew I'd recognized some names. :D Yes, yes it might. Thank you.
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12th-Nov-2008 01:55 am (UTC)
This would be a great idea--I don't have a facebook, lol.
12th-Nov-2008 11:15 am (UTC)
What about sending out bulletins on Myspace?
12th-Nov-2008 11:36 am (UTC)
I got semi-legal advice (eg. legal advice from someone who is well educated in the legal field, however is not a lawyer) on the subject and Artist Arena have conducted illegally on two seperate occasions, at least under Australian legislation.

One complaint to the ACCC could result in AA being investigated and possibly subject to a court case. Worst case scenario, OCK could be shut down.

Of course, this is not a desirable outcome, but I am trying to compose a letter to help AA see the severity of the issue without this happening.
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12th-Nov-2008 02:53 pm (UTC)
Definitely. It's ready to send, but I just wanted to confirm something - once OCK has given somebody a benefit, for example, EE, they cannot take this away, can they? I mean, they could upgrade it or swap it, but not remove it completely, right? Because I'm just worried my letter may spark a rather aggravated response and could result in a loss of all Australian/NZ benefits, and I would feel terrible if that happened to my friends and other members.
12th-Nov-2008 08:25 pm (UTC)
Even if they took away the early entry spots, I wouldn't mind.
I emailed them this, (both friendly and casual so they didn't feel I was attacking them):

From: Kirsty ******* <**********@hiptop.com.au>
To: memberships@overcastkids.com
Subject: Early Entry Passes
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:30:42 +1000


I was just wondering if it's possible to transfer an early entry pass to someone else. My friend Holly didn't realise to be considered for these benefits that tickets had to be bought through the OCK presale. Her email is ********@hiptop.com.au

Also, I was wondering if anyone other than the people who purchased meet & greet got them? Because I know a lot of the Australian OCKs and none of them received it, and I thought the News Update said that the purchased m&g wouldn't affect anyones chances. I'm not trying to be ungrateful, I'm just wondering because I know many people who have been OCKs for two or three years, and they've missed out continually. And now even more have because they didn't realise they had to purchase presale through OCK to be considered for anything.

Is it at all possible that a random draw for ten early entry spots be made for people that missed out on presale? Because I'd really hate to see people miss out entirely. If it's not possible, I am willing to transfer early entry spots to other people.

Thanks for your time
Kirsty (username kirsty_lee)

No reply. You'd think even if they wouldn't do what I asked, they'd reply and say so. It's not like them to miss an opportunity to be condescending.
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12th-Nov-2008 11:16 pm (UTC)
I was going to post my letter here but it's too long to fit in the comment box :/
I'll post it in my livejournal now, so anyone who wants to go read it, it'll be there.
Feedback is appreciated, and I'd like to send it in to OCK today.
26th-Nov-2008 04:58 am (UTC)
Wow! This was overlooked, I'm sorry! Have you gotten -any- reply yet?
26th-Nov-2008 05:34 am (UTC)
No reply so far.

The thing I don't understand is the fact that that wasn't even a rude or condescending or a fight-causing email. It was just me asking if I could GIVE people MY benefits, and they still didn't reply.
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